The No-Redline concept is never coming back. That's right, there was a time in Dust when the redline didn't exist and that was in closed beta.

It never worked. Let me explain.

100% of the matches usually ended up starting off fine until the latter half when one side manages to take hold of all objectives. Once that happens, everyone who was on the loosing side got spawn camped continuously without any means of countering those on the offensive. Keep in mind that dropping from the MCC didn't exist back then. You automatically spawned on the ground which were all predictable to pinpoint. I was on the receiving end as well as on the giving end of the spawn camping which ultimately resulted in the losing side just giving up and causing more players to just quit the match and then ultimately quit the game and delete it from their hard drives forever. It was NEVER FUN not even for those who spawn camped.

In fact, both sides (the spawn campers and spawn campees) unanimously agreed that a redline is definitely needed to solve the problem.

Gee, if only you mentioned ambush to begin with. Learn to convey your message better.

Don't want red lines play Ambush against a stomp who camps the only uplink and tell me about how red lines should be removed.

You blame CCP alot, but its not CCP that in games making every effort to lock the other team in the redline. Ive been in public matches against squads from your corp, their goal was to drive us into the redline, and not let us out. It wasn't CCP calling orbitals on the dropships I was calling in to try to ferry people out of the redline to fight. Wasnt CCP in the 4 tanks on the hill overlooking our spawn and blasting any other transport. You dont let people out, then complain that people wont leave.

2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes....do you really think the 5 guys hiding around my redline with 1-7 k-d and 85WP give a damn about points? They are in the redline because there is nothing they can contribute to the fight, and theyd like for the game to end so they can cash out and hope for a more balanced match next time around.

No offense, but alot of the PC corps go around being jackasses like that, and then come here to complain that CCP has let them down. That suddenly a million changes need to be made because players who are 1-7 have had enough of a unbalanced match. You cant just go in and use PC tactics and equipment against new players in militia suits and expect it to improve the game experience.

Except now there is a bandwidth system that is prohibitive to new players. The equipment will disappear and they wont know why, or they will know why and will find out they can only put down very limited amounts, as new players dont have the SP to train medium suit to Lv 3 and then logi to Lv1. So its not that easy anymore.




Again, its much different nowadays. Someone with a proto CR, damage enhancers, and proficiency Lv5 is going to rip apart a frontline fit in the blink of an eye. Veteran players have fittings that deal that kind of damage and soak up the damage of militia weapons no problem. With the odds that unbalanced, the unfavored player has no choice except to attack unconventionally and keep distance. Even if they have a higher acc %, their suit and weapon cant deal and sustain a face to face fight in those circumstances.

No. You're not right on this matter.

You've been reported. I look forward to seeing this thread locked because you didn't know how to provide constructive criticism.

Have a nice day.

I'm talking ambush dipsh*t. And thats no excuse for CCP's inability to create alternate spawn locations.